Independence

[Govangirl]

Aye Ionnsaigh, sometimes you can see better frae a distance Welcome back btw

[ionnsaigh]

Aye Ionnsaigh, sometimes you can see better frae a distance Welcome back btw

Thanks for the welcome, It depends on what your looking at.

1. Foreign Policy ( Gaza )

[ionnsaigh]

The support of the Fascist illegitimate regime in Ukraine, epitomises a government, that cares more about snuggling up to Obama, than it does about Human rights. The War crimes committed, by the British Empire, makes one ashamed. I'm unable to salvage the least pride, in this despicable history.

In every part of the world, where we have had our greedy paws, the British, have brought nothing, other than misery and death, the indigenous peoples pay a heavy price. The odd train timetable on the Indian continent, does little to distort the overall picture of colonialism, and naked exploitation of the people, and the land.

Scotland has fared little better, poverty has prevailed, despite the herculean attempts by the early labour Party, Scotland's poor remains, as do our mortality rates. Why do we need nuclear weapons, here on the Clyde ? They couldn't give a toss about us, in these times of peace. So the question remains of responsibility - who has declared war on the poor, other than the British economic system. We demand better.

[LANDROVER ROGER]

Bloody good post! Do not care if I am pilloried for agreeing with this.Again welcome back to a straight thinker!

[lochend]

"The support of the Fascist illegitimate regime in Ukraine, epitomises a government, that cares more about snuggling up to Obama, than it does about Human rights. The War crimes committed, by the British Empire, makes one ashamed. I'm unable to salvage the least pride, in this despicable history." Just a moment,what is that all about? I can see some sense in the latter part of that paragraph but "The support of the Fascist illegitimate regime in Ukraine epitomises a government,that cares more about snuggling up to Obama, than it does about Human rights." The aspiration of the large majority of Ukraine's population was to have closer ties with Europe. I notice you fail to mention Putin's hand in any of this! As for "Britain's greedy paws" so Scotland has had no part in British colonialism over the ages? There have been plenty of Scots with their snouts in the trough,The Jameson raids spring easily to mind! "Despite the herculean attempts by the early labour Party," This bit I can identify with, the early Labour party fought for the rights of the working people all ove the UK < Scotland is not the only area to have suffered industries shut down,areas impoverished and unacceptable death rates.Please don't try to suggest there is a specific conspiracy against the scots,the Tories hold the majority of the people in the ex industrial cities of the north in contempt!

[ionnsaigh]

" Just a moment,what is that all about? I can see some sense in the latter part of that paragraph but "The support of the Fascist illegitimate regime in Ukraine epitomises a government,that cares more about snuggling up to Obama, than it does about Human rights." The aspiration of the large majority of Ukraine's population was to have closer ties with Europe. I notice you fail to mention Putin's hand in any of this! As for "Britain's greedy paws" so Scotland has had no part in British colonialism over the ages? There have been plenty of Scots with their snouts in the trough,The Jameson raids spring easily to mind! "Despite the herculean attempts by the early labour Party," This bit I can identify with, the early Labour party fought for the rights of the working people all ove the UK < Scotland is not the only area to have suffered industries shut down,areas impoverished and unacceptable death rates.Please don't try to suggest there is a specific conspiracy against the scots,the Tories hold the majority of the people in the ex industrial cities of the north in contempt!

The aspirations of the Scottish people, surely equate with those of Ukraine. However one has to establish significant differences, in that we Scots - never overthrew - our democratically elected government. Putin, well what can you expect, with NATO surrounding his country, this in direct contravention, with long established accord. The West willing to support fascist killers, remember the human rights and trade union activists, along with children, brutally murdered and burned to death . Yet these the people, our leaders support, see if I see any chance to move away from this lot, and at the same time, improve the quality of life for the poor, then so be it.

As far as Scots taken part in colonial plunder, I never suggested they hadn't. I like many others, have more in common with the poor of the English Working Class, than with the bourgeoisie of Scotland. Lets hope that we can lead by example, our English comrades will not be far behind.

NEMO ME INPUNE LACESSIT

[lochend]

" Comrades!" "the bourgeoisie of Scotland!" Poor Putin with "Nato surrounding his country!" My God there are still people who subscribe to the Morning Star!

[Martin]

Up The Workers !

Illegitimi Non Carborundum

[LANDROVER ROGER]

As English people will no doubt be affected by Scottish Independence should they be allowed to vote?Just a thought.

[Martin]

Well said Roger. This is something that will affect the whole of the union and as such we should all have been given a say in this. However, if the vote goes to stay in the union, I am sure the rest of us will be given a say as to whether or not we actually want Scotland, Ha Ha Ha Ha....imagine the English being given a say in anything....Ha Ha Ha Ha.

[baz]

@ Martin, lochend & ROGE

Could each of you provide at least one compelling reason,
for Scotland to remain within the Union?

The list so far:

1. The Olympics
2. ?
3. ?
4. ?

[Martin]

WTF has the Olympics got to do with this ? Is it just another thing you are attempting to cling on to. "Oh, the Olympics wouldn't have been what it was without Scotland". Locks Bol.
We, together, are a great force, a force to be reckoned with, the most wonderful union in the history of the world.
You would have one wee man and his not very intelligent cronies split this up ?
Salmond is between a rock and a hard place, he can either be "The man who broke up the greatest union in the history of the world", or....."The man that failed". He has put the first step on a slope that he has no choice but to slide down.
Either way, that is what he will go down in history as.

Let's see what happens come the vote, there's no point in speculation, what will be will be.

Sorry, I don't think I'll be able to continue this, as much as I'd love to, many things to do etc....

[LANDROVER ROGER]

Can not be bothered with lists Baz.Have a read of this yourself.http://bettertogether.net/

[baz]

WTF has the Olympics got to do with this ?

Well ...... the Olympics is Govangirl's suggestion

... a force to be reckoned with, the most wonderful union in the history of the world.

Enslavement and exploitation by force.
Whoopee, makes you so proud, doesn't it.
A Union so wonderful, that the empire it created endured?

Sorry, I don't think I'll be able to continue this, as much as I'd love to, many things to do etc....

No time to speak up for your beloved Union?
Dwell in your fictional past if you must ....
The rest of us will look to the future.

Can not be bothered with lists Baz.Have a read of this yourself.http://bettertogether.net/

No clarity there


It seems that proponents for NO have much to say,
just nothing of any substance.

[ionnsaigh]

" Comrades!" "the bourgeoisie of Scotland!" Poor Putin with "Nato surrounding his country!" My God there are still people who subscribe to the Morning Star!

No I don't subscribe, and YES there are people who care, about the living conditions of a third of our people, living on - or below the poverty line.

Is the lochend - where awe the rubbish collects ?